Fox Sports 1 Update

[stever20]

So having quite possibly if not probably only 4 LDS games(with 1 going 5 innings with the Red Sox/Yankees and other being up against Sunday Night Football with the Cowboys)- is a good outcome? It's definitely not what Fox was hoping, lets say that.

You can act like just having MLB is a positive, and it is But it's not as huge of a positive as it could be. Imagine if this years AL was on Fox. THAT would be a huge plus for Fox, and you know it.

What thing has gone really well for FS1, where they've caught the huge break with ratings (similar to what TBS has this year)? The closest thing I can think of was 2016 where Cubs beat Dodgers. EVEN there- the series went only 6 games and they lose out on a game 7 where the ratings go to just another level.

Nobody ever said this year's NL was an ideal scenario for Fox or anywhere close. I simply said that Fox must've been happy to have two NL tiebreaker games. As a Big East fan, I like seeing new audience tuning into FS1. Fox's bottom line isn't going to impact the Big East's contract. We already had the best case NL scenario two years ago with Cubs vs Dodgers. Repeating that series wouldn't bring any new viewers to FS1. Maybe next year we will get the ideal AL ALCS (Yankees vs Red Sox?- would be better than what TBS got this year with that series in the ALDS).

As for the results, Dodgers vs Brewers is Fox's ideal NLCS given the 4 teams they started with. That also involves Milwaukee, which is one BE audience we really hope breaks out this year if Marquette can have a big season. But of course, you would never mention that.

I think best case scenario quite frankly for NL isn't Cubs/Dodgers. It'd be either Cubs/Mets(which TBS got) or even moreso Mets/Dodgers(top 2 markets vs each other). It was very good. 2015 LCS averaged 7.9 million viewers. 2016 LCS averaged 6.953 million viewers.

I don't think Fox was happy at all that the Cubs got knocked out.

I will agree with you on the Dodgers/Brewers being the ideal LCS given what they had to start up with.

I really don't know if the tiebreaker games helped or hurt Fox. I think the Red Sox/Yankees series took the air out of all 3 other LDS quite frankly.

[Savannah Jay]

the concept though is it might be available in however many homes, but in order to get it you have to have a high level package. I'd venture a guess that in a majority of the basic packages, Speed Network wasn't available. ESPN is in 110 million homes or whatever- and on basic packages.

Also, this will apply for those that travel. A lot of the hotels won't have FS1 quite frankly.

Just to crack myself up, I found a Stever post from September 2013. In a nutshell, Stever used to worry about FS1 being in enough households and now he's worried that there might not be enough of the "good" MLB playoff games on Fox networks.

BUT, I am sure he looks good in Bermuda shorts, knee-highs and Buster Browns...

[MUPanther]

Andy Katz to be on some FOX College Hoops games
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[MUPanther]

Thursday numbers:
2.459 for COL/MIL Game 1 on FS1
2.123M for ATL/LAD Game 1 on MLBN.

Friday numbers:
NYY/BOS (7:20, TBS): 5.571M
ATL/LAD (9:30, FS1): 2.031M
CLE/HOU (2:00, TBS): 1.909M
COL/MIL (4:00, FS1): 1.765M

Saturday
5,059M, Red Sox/Yankees & 2,497M Indians/Astros on TBS

Sunday
3,022M Dodgers/Braves on FS1 & 2,004M Brewers/Rockies on MLBN


Monday numbers:
BOS/NYY (7:40, TBS): 4.405M
LAD/ATL (4:30, FS1): 2.169M
HOU/CLE (1:30, TBS): 1.919M

[adoraz]

Thursday numbers:
2.459 for COL/MIL Game 1 on FS1
2.123M for ATL/LAD Game 1 on MLBN.

Friday numbers:
NYY/BOS (7:20, TBS): 5.571M
ATL/LAD (9:30, FS1): 2.031M
CLE/HOU (2:00, TBS): 1.909M
COL/MIL (4:00, FS1): 1.765M

Saturday
5,059M, Red Sox/Yankees & 2,497M Indians/Astros on TBS

Sunday
3,022M Dodgers/Braves on FS1 & 2,004M Brewers/Rockies on MLBN


Monday numbers:
BOS/NYY (7:40, TBS): 4.405M
LAD/ATL (4:30, FS1): 2.169M
HOU/CLE (1:30, TBS): 1.919M

Thanks, so Stever was wrong about the Cle/Hou series outperforming Atl/LA... every single time. Just as I predicted.

[adoraz]

So having quite possibly if not probably only 4 LDS games(with 1 going 5 innings with the Red Sox/Yankees and other being up against Sunday Night Football with the Cowboys)- is a good outcome? It's definitely not what Fox was hoping, lets say that.

You can act like just having MLB is a positive, and it is But it's not as huge of a positive as it could be. Imagine if this years AL was on Fox. THAT would be a huge plus for Fox, and you know it.

What thing has gone really well for FS1, where they've caught the huge break with ratings (similar to what TBS has this year)? The closest thing I can think of was 2016 where Cubs beat Dodgers. EVEN there- the series went only 6 games and they lose out on a game 7 where the ratings go to just another level.

Nobody ever said this year's NL was an ideal scenario for Fox or anywhere close. I simply said that Fox must've been happy to have two NL tiebreaker games. As a Big East fan, I like seeing new audience tuning into FS1. Fox's bottom line isn't going to impact the Big East's contract. We already had the best case NL scenario two years ago with Cubs vs Dodgers. Repeating that series wouldn't bring any new viewers to FS1. Maybe next year we will get the ideal AL ALCS (Yankees vs Red Sox?- would be better than what TBS got this year with that series in the ALDS).

As for the results, Dodgers vs Brewers is Fox's ideal NLCS given the 4 teams they started with. That also involves Milwaukee, which is one BE audience we really hope breaks out this year if Marquette can have a big season. But of course, you would never mention that.

I think best case scenario quite frankly for NL isn't Cubs/Dodgers. It'd be either Cubs/Mets(which TBS got) or even moreso Mets/Dodgers(top 2 markets vs each other). It was very good. 2015 LCS averaged 7.9 million viewers. 2016 LCS averaged 6.953 million viewers.

I don't think Fox was happy at all that the Cubs got knocked out.

I will agree with you on the Dodgers/Brewers being the ideal LCS given what they had to start up with.

I really don't know if the tiebreaker games helped or hurt Fox. I think the Red Sox/Yankees series took the air out of all 3 other LDS quite frankly.

For the 50th time, nobody ever said Fox was happy about the Cubs getting knocked out lol. Only you are putting forth this false narrative.

As for which series would be most ideal... eh that's debatable. For the AL it is clearly Yankees/Red Sox but as you mention for the NL there are really 3 teams that are above the rest and a combination of any two would be ideal. At least we agree that FS1 gets the best NLCS possible given the teams they started with.

You'd think that having arguably the most important NL team (or at worst the third most important team) in the NLCS would be a positive thing. But you always steer the narrative towards not having things perfect. That is an unfair perspective and you know it.

[stever20]

as far as the LCS- 1 of the games is on Fox so that mitigates the impact to some degree. Game 1 is Friday night(tough TV night). Game 3 is Monday night(up against San Francisco/Green Bay- so some Brewer fans will be split). Game 4 is Tuesday afternoon I'm going to assume- as they'll give the Red Sox/Astros most likely prime time. What's crucial for FS1 is for it to go 6-7 games and get those elimination type of games that always get great ratings.......

Where I think is interesting is that FS1 hasn't really ever had a situation that was best case scenario. Even Dodgers/Cubs in 2016. Game 6 drew 9.7 million viewers. Imagine what the ratings would have been if it had gone 7. Or imagine if Tiger got himself into contention in the US Open when they were showing it. I would say something in college football- but realistically I think the Big Ten/Big 12/Pac 12 have it written in their contracts pretty good those games have to be Big Fox. In a way I'm giving them a back handed compliment if you will because they've grown for sure even without that. And at times- it's not been a not quite best case scenario, but rather it's been almost a worst case scenario at times(like Toronto in the LDS/LCS in 2015 as a prime example).

[adoraz]

as far as the LCS- 1 of the games is on Fox so that mitigates the impact to some degree. Game 1 is Friday night(tough TV night). Game 3 is Monday night(up against San Francisco/Green Bay- so some Brewer fans will be split). Game 4 is Tuesday afternoon I'm going to assume- as they'll give the Red Sox/Astros most likely prime time. What's crucial for FS1 is for it to go 6-7 games and get those elimination type of games that always get great ratings.......

Where I think is interesting is that FS1 hasn't really ever had a situation that was best case scenario. Even Dodgers/Cubs in 2016. Game 6 drew 9.7 million viewers. Imagine what the ratings would have been if it had gone 7. Or imagine if Tiger got himself into contention in the US Open when they were showing it. I would say something in college football- but realistically I think the Big Ten/Big 12/Pac 12 have it written in their contracts pretty good those games have to be Big Fox. In a way I'm giving them a back handed compliment if you will because they've grown for sure even without that. And at times- it's not been a not quite best case scenario, but rather it's been almost a worst case scenario at times(like Toronto in the LDS/LCS in 2015 as a prime example).

Wait wait wait... hold up here. You're saying there are other events on TV??? No way. I don't believe it. This never happened before.

Stever, this has been your argument for literally every single event on FS1 ever. Spoiler: there will never be a perfect case scenario. By your own definition it is impossible. Give it up.

[Jet915]

Wasnt sure where to put this....

Adam Jardy
Adam Jardy
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Delany said #B1G has talked with Madison Square Garden about the future. "We’re presented them with a powerful emotional plan. We think we can elevate Madison Square Garden to the next level with regard to the postseason. We will not play early."

Elevate? Right.....

[MUPanther]

Thursday numbers:
2.459 for COL/MIL Game 1 on FS1
2.123M for ATL/LAD Game 1 on MLBN.

Friday numbers:
NYY/BOS (7:20, TBS): 5.571M
ATL/LAD (9:30, FS1): 2.031M
CLE/HOU (2:00, TBS): 1.909M
COL/MIL (4:00, FS1): 1.765M

Saturday
5,059M, Red Sox/Yankees & 2,497M Indians/Astros on TBS

Sunday
3,022M Dodgers/Braves on FS1 & 2,004M Brewers/Rockies on MLBN


Monday numbers:
BOS/NYY (7:40, TBS): 4.405M
LAD/ATL (4:30, FS1): 2.169M
HOU/CLE (1:30, TBS): 1.919M

BOS/NYY clincher drew 7.147M on TBS

NLCS Game 1 on FS1 4.639M on FS1 (223K on FOX Deportes)